Stupid Vicar Wants To Assist The Islamization Of Britain And The Demise Of Christianity

Waltham Forest Council’s planning committee have refused an application for a new mosque in the London Borough which already has 16 mosques. Around 200 people gathered outside a packed council chamber on Tuesday night as Waltham Forest Council’s planning committee decided on the application from the Faizan-e-Islam organisation to convert the Waltham Oak pub in Lea Bridge Road, Walthamstow. Local residents and committee members had expressed concern at the loss of a landmark historical pub, The application was then denied on the grounds of potential disturbance to people living in sheltered housing next door and predicted parking congestion in the area at prayer times.

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The Campaign For Real Ale (CAMRA), which supports communities to save their local pubs from closure and demolition, said it was “delighted” the bid was rejected. James Watson Pubs Preservation Officer for the East London & City branch of CAMRA, said: “More and more local authorities are at last beginning to realise what important community facilities our pubs are and are taking measures to save them.“  In East London we have lost 52 per cent of our pubs over the last 30 years and we are pleased that the tables are slowly beginning to turn.”CAMRA registered a formal objection to the proposal, along with supporters of the ‘Save the Waltham Oak’ campaign, as it says the pub, which has been closed for a year, has a “long and distinguished history” dating back to the 1800s.

As CAMRA and local non Muslim residents celebrated blocking the conversion and halting any further Islamization for the time being, over in the Faizan-e-Islam  camp things are very different. The Islamists are not impressed with the decision and doing what Muslims do best…..moaning. Faizan-e-Islam have declared they will fight on and appeal the decision(and moan some more)

Muslims are already claiming anti Muslim bias, playing the race card. Tariq Mahmood, a committee member at the Lea Bridge Road mosque, said the planned mosque would be inclusive and serve the whole community. He said: “The planning committee made out like mosques are just for one kind of people but its more like a community centre.  It’s biased against Muslims opening up things.”  Sorry to burst your bubble Tariq, the Mosque may be like a community centre……a community centre for MUSLIMS ONLY which is not serving the whole community only the Islamic community!

The Muslims have an unlikely ally in Anglican vicar Steven Saxby, Vicar at St Barnabas Vicarage in St Barnabas Road, Walthamstow, spoke in favour of the application at the meeting and said he was “astonished” by the decision to refuse it.Dismayed by the council’s decision,the appeasing dhimmi vicar said the committee

“displayed a notable ignorance of the Muslim faith and the excellent work of Faizen-e-Islam.”

“This was a poor decision which we can only expect to be overturned at appeal.”

“To me the arguments before the committee for the mosque far outweighed those for the pub. “I thought it was embarrassing for the borough that a body of people that are doing such good work in the community are prevented from doing more good.”

Stupid dhimmi Vicar Wants To Assist The Islamization Of Britain And The Demise Of Christianity

I find it unbelievable that a Christian vicar in a Christian country where church attendances are lower than ever is pushing Islam further on the public. Speeding up the Islamization of the UK and the further demise of Christianity is sheer stupidity. He should be looking at the treatment of Christians in  majority Islamic countries at the hands of Muslim oppressors.  Kenya, Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan and Syria where religion of peace members burn down churches and murder innocent people just for being non Muslim. With idiots like that helping the Islamists stealth jihad to achieve their ultimate goal and take over its only a matter of time.

Does Anglican vicar Steven Saxby honestly think that once Muslims get anywhere close to majority here that they will not act in exactly the same way ? Does he think he will be able to freely practice his faith? or that his church and congregation will be free from any kind of attack by the blood thirsty Islamists? If he does then he is a bigger dhimmi dickhead than he looked making his public Muslim appeasing comments.

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  1. Near where I used to live the local council approved a community centre giving much public funding to this project, it was meant to be a resource for all the local community, according to the Muslims who put in the planning application. Guess what? can you guess? From the day it opened it was a Muslim only facility. Laws governing the giving of the funding were broken, was anything done? NO OF COURSE IT BLOODY WASN’T

  2. XX “More and more local authorities are at last beginning to realise what important community facilities our pubs are and are taking measures to save them.“ X

    Things like… repealing the smoking ban, by any chance?

    I will NEVER set foot in a pub again, whilst I am not allowed to smoke.

    The regular bankruptcy of local pubs proves I am not alone.

  3. Is it Deja Vu (All Over Again)


    Conditions in cities in Britain in the second half of the 18th century were unsanitary and overcrowded. High taxes, unjust and repressive laws, government profiteering and impressment into the army and navy were among the issues that inflamed the working classes and bred discontent. Civil disorder bubbled just under the surface of British society, waiting for a reason to explode.

    The fuse was lit in 1780, when Lord George Gordon called for the repeal of the Catholic Relief Act of 1778 and a return to the repression of Catholics. The 1778 Act had repealed harsh anti-Catholic legislation from the 17th century and excused Roman Catholics from swearing the oath of allegiance (with its implicit recognition of the Church of England) on joining the army.

    This idea of tolerating Catholics was deeply resented in Protestant England, however, and on 2 June Gordon led a crowd of 60,000 to the House of Commons to present a petition stating that the legislation encouraged ‘popery’ and was a threat to the Church of England. Anti-Catholic riots ensued in London, lasting for many days, as the masses vented their anger. Protests were violent and aimed at Catholic targets, such as homes and chapels, and a distillery owned by a Catholic in High Holborn. They also seem to have expressed a more general frustration: prisons and the Bank of England were attacked.

    With no regular police force, the army was called in to restore order and King George III issued a proclamation to suppress rebellion in the kingdom.


    Among the mob were two men, John Glover and Benjamin Bowsey, described in newspaper records as ‘Black’ or -‘Mulatto’. Both were free men. John Glover was indicted with several others and charged with ‘riotous and tumultuous assembly; assaulting Newgate and setting loose the prisoners and setting fire to and destroying the prison’.

    These events were confirmed by the Black writer Ignatius Sancho, who witnessed the uprising. He described how ‘about a thousand mad men, armed with clubs, bludgeons, and crows, just now set off for Newgate, to liberate, they say, their honest comrades’.

    Similarly charged as a ‘disorderly person’ was Benjamin Bowsey, a footman to General Honeywood. The General described his servant as ‘a very honest and very foolish fellow…that got into idle company’ while working in the kitchen of the St Alban’s Tavern.

    The register shows that Bowsey and Glover, prisoners at the jail in Newgate (now the Old Bailey) were sentenced to death. On 19 July 1780, from the Court of St James’s, Judge Hillsborough announced a stay of execution for both men. Then on 26 July, Bowsey (who had only been reprieved until 27 July) received a further reprieve.

    A more humane attitude was emerging in the judicial process in the late 18th century, as the philosophy of the Enlightenment encouraged moves towards a less violent society. Because of this, many prisoners of the time had their sentences commuted from death to transportation. On 30 April 1781, Judge Hillsborough informed the group of rioters, including Bowsey and Glover, that they were to be pardoned on condition that they entered and continued to serve as soldiers in the Corps of Footmen on the coast of Africa.

    As for Lord George Gordon, the leader and instigator of the riots, he was subsequently tried before the Court of King’s Bench, found not guilty of treason, and acquitted.

    References and Further Reading

    Costello, R., Black Liverpool, Liverpool, 2001

    Edwards, P., and Dabydeen, D., Black Writers in Britain 1760-1890, Edinburgh, 1991

    Knapp, A., and Baldwin, W., Newgate Calendar, vol. IV, pp.253-72, London, 1826

    Sherwood, M., ‘Blacks in the Gordon Riots’, in History Today vol. 47 (12), December 1997

    For more information on Lord George Gordon and the Gordon Riots, see:

  4. Shalom Joseph, Do YOU shave your “balls”? What kind of instrument do you use? I guess Muslims use “cut-throat” razors? Larry Sahih Bukhari:Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173: Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair” AISHA: BATTERED CHILD & WIFE The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old. Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’ Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof. Sahih Bukhari 7.18 Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.” Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims. Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their customs, Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old. But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like. Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37 Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, “Won’t you marry the daughter of Hamza?” He said, “She is my foster niece (brother’s daughter). ” Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom. In the following Hadith he confided to Aisha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father. Sahih Bukhari 9.140 Narrated ‘Aisha: Allah’s Apostle said to me, “You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, ‘Uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), ‘Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ ” Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Aisha was a baby being “carried” by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her. There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Aisha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them. Sahih Bukhari 5.236. Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari 5.234 Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. And in another Hadith we read. Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917 Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. In the above hadith we read that Aisha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90 Narrated Aisha: When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah’s Apostle to me in the forenoon. Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty) Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311 ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was 54. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33 Narrated ‘Aisha: I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends. Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That is two years before Hijra. At that time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the same year that Khadija died the prophet married Aisha and took her to his home 3 years later, i.e. one year after Hijra. But until she grew up he married Umm Salama. In another part Aisha claims that as long as she remembers her parents were always Muslims. Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245 Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam), If Aisha was older i.e. 16 or 18 as some Muslims claim, she would have remembered the religion of her parents prior to becoming Muslims. Now someone may still claim that all these hadithes are lies. People are free to say whatever they want. But truth is clear like the Sun for those who have eyes. No sane person would be aroused by a 9-year-old child. Decent people wince at the thought of this shameful act. Yet some Muslims deny them. The question is why so many followers of Muhammad would fabricate so many false hadithes about the age of Aisha, which incidentally confirm each other? I can tell you why people would attribute false miracles to their prophet. Babis believe that Bab started to praise God as soon as he was born. There is a Hadith like that also about Muhammad. Christians believe the birth of the Christ was miraculous and the Jews believe Moses opened a dry passageway through the Red Sea. Believers love to hear these stories. It confirms their faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the hadiths, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha that would portray his Prophet as a pedophile? THE 6 YEAR OLD BRIDE Muslims argue: • According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha (ra) was born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu’l-tafseer) Aisha (ra) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha (ra) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate. Answer: Even if we assume this narrative to be accurate, we have no reason to give it more weight than those that are so detailed about Aisha ’s age, describing her playing with her dolls, talking about her girlfriends coming to play with her and hiding when Muhammad entered the room, her memories of playing on the swing when her mother called her and washed her face and took her to Muhammad, her ignorance of what was going on and her “surprise” when Muhammad got into action taking his role as the husband, etc. These events are more likely to be remembered by someone of her childhood than when a particular Surah was revealed. It is more probable that a person confuse one Surah with the other than confuse all those details of her own life. • According to a number of narratives, Aisha (ra) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Aisha ‘s (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them. Answer: This is a weak excuse. When the Battle of Badr and Ohud occurred Aisha was 10 to 11 years old. She did not go to be a warrior, like the boys. She went to keep Muhammad warm during the nights. Boys who were less than 15 were sent back, but this did not apply to her. • According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Aisha (ra) was ten years older than Aisha (ra). It is reported in Taqri’bu’l-tehzi’b as well as Al-bidayah wa’l-nihayah that Asma (ra) died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage. Answer: When someone gets that old, people don’t care too much about her exact age. It is very easy to say she was 100 years old when in fact she was only 90. The difference is not noticeable to the younger folks and 100 is a round figure. Assuming the Hadith is authentic, it could be an honest mistake. Since in those days people did not carry birth certificates, it is very much likely that the person who reported her age to be 100 did not know that she was 10 years older than Aisha and did not sit to make the calculations and deductions. She was not an important person and it did not occur to anyone that 1300 years later it would become the subject of a controversy. This could be a genuine mistake by the narrator of the Hadith. • Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah — the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Aisha (ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH — the time she most likely got married. Answer: Tabari’s narratives do not have the distinction to be known Sahih. Even if we assumed that this narratives is not forged, there is no reason to discard all those strong, detailed and explicit hadithes that concord with each other and confirm the age of Aisha was 9 when she married the Prophet, to accept this narrative that, could very well be also an innocent slip on the part of the narrator. People remember important events better than those that are relatively insignificant. The date of the birth of the children of Abu Bakr was not an important subject for Muslims to record. But the details of the Prophet’s marriages were more important. As you can read in the story of Safiyah’s wedding even the kind of food served is recorded. • According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Aisha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that Aisha (ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Aisha ‘s (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Aisha (ra) should not have been born during the first year of Islam. Answer: The apologist fails to provide the references to the hadithes that he quotes. But obviously this is an error. To understand and accept a religion, one must he at least intelligent enough to make such decision. That is about 15 years old. But let us be generous and say that age is about 12. If Aisha accepted Islam during the first year of Islam, she must have been 26 years old when Muhammad married her. (12 + 14) First of all, in those days girls married at much younger age. No one stayed that long to get married. And it is very unlikely that a 26-year-old woman plays with her dolls. It shows that some of the Muslim apologists are embarrassed of what the Prophet did and are desperately looking for excuses to exonerate him of his improprieties. • Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am — with whose son Aisha (ra) was engaged — and asked him to take Aisha (ra) in his house as his son’s wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son divorced Aisha (ra). Now, if Aisha (ra) was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Aisha (ra) had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage. Answer: It was an Arab tradition to betroth a girl to a boy even when the girl was a newborn. This tradition is still carried on in many Islamic countries. This is no proof that Aisha was a grown up. • According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (ra), when Khaulah (ra) came to the Prophet (pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Aisha ‘s (ra) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that the word “bikr” in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is “Jariyah”. “Bikr” on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a “lady”. Answer: This explanation is absolutely incorrect. Bikr means virgin and, just as in English is not age specific. In fact Aisha was the second wife of Muhammad (after Khadijah) but Muhammad did not consummate his marriage with her for three years because she was too young. Instead he had to content himself with Umma Salamah, until Aisha matured a little bit more. It would not have made sense to marry a beautiful woman like Aisha and wait for three years to take her home. • According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Aisha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Aisha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage. Answer: Of course this information cannot be taken as correct. If Aisha was five years older than Fatimah, and Fatimah was born when the Prophet was 35 years old, then Aisha was only 30 years younger than the Prophet. So at the time of her marriage when the Prophet was 54, Aisha must have been 24 yeas old. This is not certainly correct, for the reasons explained above and also it contradicts the Hadith that the apologist quoted about the age of Asma, Aisha ’s sister, who according to that Hadith was 10 years older that Aisha and died in 73 Hijra. So at the time of Hijra Asma must have been 100 –73 = 27 years old, but according to this Hadith she was 34 years old. The discrepancy between these two hadithes quoted by the same apologist, demonstrate their inaccuracy. It all goes to show that in those days numbers did not mean much. It is more likely that people forget the dates. But events are better remembered. The reports of the tender age of Aisha is consistent with the stories of her childhood, playing with her toys, her girlfriends hiding when Muhammad entered the room, the Prophet playing with her, her ignorance and “surprise” in the night of the nuptials, etc. All those hadithes confirm that she was a little girl. Those who deny the facts and try to prove otherwise, demonstrate their embarrassment of the acts of the Prophet. Perhaps they should be credited for having some scruples and realizing that what the Prophet did was wrong but we cannot praise them for their intellectual honesty or lack of it.Finally the apologist concludes: • “In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the Prophet (pbuh) marry Aisha (ra) at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.” Answer: I respect his opinion, but disagree with him completely. Not only this WAS the tradition of the Arabs, it is still their tradition and it has become the tradition of other counties that converted to Islam. Even up to this day it is very common to find girls as young as 9-years given for matrimony. Of course the reason that no one objected to the marriage of Muhammad and a 9-year-old girl, is because it was a costume. The reason when it was reported in so many hadithes that neither the author nor the scholars objected is because it was nothing out of the ordinary. Just a few weeks ago I read in the news that in Iran a 9-year-old girl filed for divorce from her 15-year-old husband just after 20 days of marriage because he would constantly beat her. When the young man was questioned he said: “She neglects her housework and plays with her dolls all the time”. THE CHILD BRIDE Aisha was 9 lunar years old or 8 years 9 months old according to solar years when Muhammad slept with her. This is a fact demonstrated by a great number of hadiths. There is no controversy in that. There has never been until now that some of the Muslims have come in contact with western values and are ashamed to admit that their Prophet could commit such an indecency. They deny the facts and have made it a controversy. The majority of Muslims still have no problem with the young age of the Aisha and they ridicule these Modern day “moral relativists” who are twisting the truth to please the morality of the westerners. An American lady, with whom I used to correspond about Islam, was interested in this religion because of her Muslim boyfriend. She admitted that the thought of Muhammad having sexual intercourse with a 9-year-old girl appalled her but she was relieved to know that there are some Muslims who deny it and this is the subject of a controversy not agreed by all the Muslims. This is what I wrote in response. “There are people who deny the holocaust. This happened only 55 years ago and it is very well documented. Yet it has not stopped some people to deny it. So they start a controversy. Would you doubt the holocaust because it is a subject of a controversy? Intelligent people are not affected by controversies. They look at the facts and are not swayed by hearsays. Feeble-minded people become confused and do not know which way to turn. These people switch off and avoid the issue altogether, because for them, making a decision is not an easy task. That is why some people start the controversy. Only a few years ago Sheikh Baaz in Saudi Arabia issued a fatwa that any one who said the Earth is round is Kafir. Obviously this did not go very far but he started a controversy. So what is your opinion about the shape of the Earth? Would you stay out of it because it is a controversial issue? How about the evolution? There are many Muslims as well as Christians who do not agree with evolution. They believe in the Biblical and Quranic fables of Adam and Eave and the creation. This is a big controversy. Are you going to stay away from it? Is it a none-issue for you? Almost everything under the Sun is a controversial issue. From death penalty to hunting, from spending money for space exploration to aiding the poor countries, everything is a controversy. Even the very subject of religion is a controversial issue. So you cannot walk away from responsibility when you are faced with controversies. I agree that morality is relative and we should not judge the ancient people’s morality with our modern morality. Obviously we all cringe when we think of pedophilia and acknowledge that it is a shameful act of immorality. But during the time of Muhammad, and even today in some Islamic countries, marrying a 9-year-old child was not immoral. In fact Aisha was given to Muhammad with the consent of her parents and no one raised an eyebrow. The question is, if sleeping with a nine year old child was not deemed bad and therefore was not considered immoral, was it ok? Not everything that a society accepts as moral is right. Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Arabs 1400 years ago, but it is now, as it was then, unethical. Moralities are defined by circumstances, but ethics transcend time and space. They are rooted in logics. Morality can vary from culture to culture, from time to time and from person to person. Who is to determine what is moral and what is not? “ Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Muhammad and his contemporaries in that uncivilized culture, but it was ethically wrong. If Muhammad was a messenger of God or an honorable man, as he made his Allah to proclaim him thus, he should have known that what he was doing was dishonorable and unethical. Although it is true that in the past people married at very young age. And it is also true that occasionally wealthy old men married very young girls. We have to realize that these people acted on their culture. We do not condemn them for they did not know better. What they did was the norm. But we do condemn those cultures. However, we cannot forgive with the same amnesty those who claimed to be the standard of rectitude amongst mankind. If average people could not distinguish the right from the wrong, the messengers of God, if they were from God, should have known better. If their claim was true, if their knowledge was divine, if they were inspired, they should not have followed the tradition of their people but should have set the example. Muhammad followed the morality of his people. But that morality was ethically wrong. He claimed to be the best human and the last messenger of God. According to him God has said to people all he wanted to say in the Quran and his religion is complete. There is no more guidance to come and his examples and teachings are all we need to know and follow for eternity. Yet what he did and said, under the light of modern values prove to be very wrong. Now we realize that we cannot live by his examples any more, nor can we practice his teachings. Our morality has changed. We would certainly put a man in jail if he wanted to follow the Sunnah of the prophet in this day and age and “marry” a 9-year-old child. We would not allow someone to take people as slaves or trade in slavery as Muhammad did. If we cannot follow the morality of Muhammad any more, if what he said and did do not fit in this modern day, why we need Muhammad? What part of his teachings should we accept and what part should we discard? Who will determine that? This is an important question. If we give ourselves the freedom to pick and choose the teachings that most suit us we should give the same freedom to others. Suppose you believe that marriage to a minor should be outlawed, or you do not feel that polygyny is appropriate any more for this day and age. Suppose you disagree with slavery, male or female circumcision, beating of the wives and do not believe in Jihad any more. You prefer to concentrate on other parts of Islam that you like, e.g. Salat, Zikat, Haj, etc. This is your choice. But can you deny other Muslims whose choices are distinct from yours? How could you stop a Muslim who wants to follow those teachings of Islam that you consider outdated? By what authority can you dissuade one who wants to spread Islam by Jihad, like Muhammad did? How can you prohibit him not to assault sexually a 9-year-old child by marrying her? What would you say to a Muslim who wishes to marry up to four wives and decides to punish them by beating them if they are disobedient, as the Prophet instructed him to do? If you use logic in picking the teachings that are best, you are saying that logic is superior to revelation and therefore you are subscribing to the freethinker’s way of thinking not Muhammad’s. Many Islamic countries have realized that true Islam is impractical. Very few of them can practice it faithfully; they all have modified it to certain extent and have incorporated secularism into their laws to make life bearable. Those that do follow Islam are hells on Earth. Interestingly the civility and the progress of these countries are proportionate to the level of their secularization. In the Middle Ages, when religion had plunged Europe into the dark ages, Islamic countries were progressive and prosperous. This was possible because of the tolerance of the rulers of those days, their independence from the Mosque and their disinterest to implement Islam. Zakaria Ar-Razi, one of the greatest minds of Islamic world, attacked religion in general and Islam in particular with a force unthinkable in this day. He wrote: “The prophets—these billy goats with long beards, cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. These billy goats pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the “words of the master.” The miracles of the prophets are impostures, based on trickery, or the stories regarding them are lies. The falseness of what all the prophets say is evident in the fact that they contradict one another: one affirms what the other denies, and yet each claims to be the sole depository of the truth; thus the New Testament contradicts the Torah, the Koran the New Testament. As for the Koran, it is but an assorted mixture of “absurd and inconsistent fables,” which has ridiculously been judged inimitable, when, in fact, its language, style, and its much vaunted “eloquence” are far from being faultless. Custom, tradition, and intellectual laziness lead men to follow their religious leaders blindly. Religions have been the sole cause of the bloody wars that have ravaged mankind. Religions have also been resolutely hostile to philosophical speculation and to scientific research. The so-called holy scriptures are worthless and have done more harm than good, whereas the “writings of the ancients like Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and Hippocrates have rendered much greater service to humanity.” This kind of criticism of Islam today, would carry the death sentence. Can any intellectual speak so freely against Islam calling the prophets “Billy Goats” as Ar-Razi called them disdainfully in these days and live? Does the fatwa against Salman Rushdie ring a bell? It is clear that in those days of the golden age of Islam, Islamic countries enjoyed a freedom and a level of secularization that has since been disappeared. And along with that, the glory of Islamic world also has ebbed. Islam can be used as an index of barbarity and backwardness. The more a country applies Islam, the more uncivilized and uncultured it becomes. I have no doubt that if Islam was eliminated completely, we’ll regain the past glory of those secular days and even surpass it. There is no reason to believe that the black-eyed race of Middle East is inferior to the blue-eyed Europeans. The number of Middle Eastern scientists, academics and scholars in the West is an indication that given the opportunity we are no less intelligent than any other race. The reason that we are backward, uncivilized and barbaric in our native countries is because Islam has taken away our dignity, humanity and intelligence. Islam has brainwashed us, and like a drug has damaged the minds of our people. When we say Muhammad had sex with 9 year old child, Muslims brush it away and bring all sorts of excuses to justify this shameful act. This is the nature of blind faith and cognitive dissonance. Maybe by visualizing it, some of them will would come to their senses and realize how evil this fiend they call prophet, was. There is not a single proof that this man was a prophet while there are tons of evidences that he was an evil man. Mohammad struck child wife Aisha HARD Following the beheading (so Islamic!) of his wife by Muzzammil Hassan, 44, the founder of a US Muslim TV network to counter stereotypes of Islam (he certainly proved Islam isn’t good for women) (reference) prominent newspapers did their bit for Islam by publishing ‘Islam is good for women tales’ PAMELA K. TAYLOR, co-founder, Muslims for Progressive Values wrote such a tale. I will examine her claims (which do the rounds in Australia) and actual Islamic text and laws in 2 parts –beating women and equality, to reveal the contortions and misinformation used to sell the ‘Islam good’ lie.(reference) A recent Australian report showed domestic violence, underage marriage and sexual violence/rape, polygamy, restriction and denial of equal inheritance etc in our Muslim community endorsed by imams/religious clerics (Age 21/11/08 Local Muslim Clerics Accused). There’s violent men in every society so why blame Islam? Why? Because our society and laws do not condone violence against women but Islam’s text and laws do yet here and elsewhere so-called ‘Muslim feminists’ (an oxymoron — I have the right to choose to be abused) try to tell us Islam’s violence is all due to patriarchy and a few bad verses (remove those bad verses from the Koran, hadith, sira, laws there wouldn’t be much left particularly if you include the removal of rights to enslave and rape enslaved females-Koran 23.1-7, 70.29-30, 33.50, 4.24 or perhaps they don’t count as women!) Mohammad: violence to wives, slaves, women generally and others. Ms Taylor refers to hadith: ***Muslim Book 30, Number 5756: ‘A’isha reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) never beat anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious. Looks good but let’s look a bit closer—perhaps Aisha said this before she got struck or perhaps he struck her with an object but not his hand. When Mohammad ordered mass beheadings (a woman was beheaded), assassinations (eg of poetess Marwan as she slept with her children), and had men and women stoned (including a woman who had just given birth), or had his female slaves flogged or amputated limbs , put hot pokers into eyes and left people to die and many other examples where whole tribes were slaughtered, enslaved, raped, sold etc he wasn’t hitting with his hand but he was responsible for enormous sadism and violence to others particularly when powerful in the last 10 years of his life. But hey, I guess it’s all fighting in the cause of allah or taking revenge for allah even when Muslim women are the victims because they must be made to obey allah’s dictates. . To such a man, whacking a woman is small stuff and I suspect common but only reported when he hit his most favoured wife Aisha who normally got away with anything! No doubt Hitler never by his own hand killed a Jew, gypsy, homosexual, Russian etc…but.. Mohammad hit Aisha hard in the chest hurting her ***Muslim Book 4, Number 2127: (This is a long hadith where Aisha describes how she covered her head, put on her veil, etc and follows Mohammad outside at night to a graveyard and hurries back before him …) “..He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? …. Mohammad allowed others to slap his wives ***Muslim Book 9, No 3506…….Then came ‘Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah’s Apostle sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat ‘Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah’s Messenger laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr then got up went to ‘A’isha and slapped her on the neck, and ‘Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah’s Messenger which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah’s Messenger for anything he does not possess. Then he withdrew from them for a month or for twenty-nine days. Then this verse was revealed to him:” Prophet: Say to thy wives… for a mighty reward” (33. 28). … (c) Beating female slaves is OK too – re the time Aisha was accused of immoral behaviour: As for Ali he said “Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another. Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.” So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying, ‘Tell the Apostle the truth.’” Ishaq: p 496 “ Mohammad had his female slaves flogged: ***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4458: ( Basically repeated in *Muslim hadiths Book 17, No. 4224: ) Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves). BEAT WOMEN: when you read the list of vile terms used to describe women and know the position of women under Islam then and now, instructions to beat women are hardly a surprise. The greatest contortions are gone through to try to convince us that instructions to beat women really mean something else yet those instructions occur in the Koran, hadiths, example of Mohammad and Islamic laws where men can beat women for a wide variety of reasons including even ‘fearing’ (not actual) rebellion, refusing sex, answering back, leaving the house without permission, and anything he deems disobedience! (d) The Koran is the highest authority – BEAT women Sura 4.34 tells men to warn disobedient wives, send them to separate beds then beat them. There is NO lightly, feathers or toothpicks, added to appeal to the west! Ms Taylor gives us a dance around the word ‘daraba’ which is the root verb involved in the critical section of 4.34 namely – وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ, wa-id.ribo –hunna. According to the Hans Wehr Dictionary, daraba means –beat, strike, hit, hurt, wound, shoot, shell, bombard etc . If you want to extend the meaning well beyond its usual meaning to cover ‘step between’ or ‘separate’ then daraba must have a PREPOSITION attached eg daraba bayn meaning to ‘force oneself between’ as in separating people arguing — BUT IT DOES NOT in 4.34. Hence the true meaning as used across Arab speakers for 1400 years in Islam is ‘beat, hit’…ie the ‘wa’ means ‘and’, the ‘idribo’ is the command form, 3rd person plural, masculine ‘beat’, and the ‘hun’ is a feminine ‘them.’ Hence, ‘and beat them.’ (thanks B) Plays on words to fool westerners are common but when I asked my Arab speaking friends (including Islamic scholars) re this verse in ARABIC, they laughed and said of course it means beat/whip…Remember, the true word of allah is only the Arabic version so it is not forbidden to ‘alter’ translations, particularly if this helps promote Islam. Eg ALIM CDRom translations Asad –beat, Malik- beat Pickthall –scourge Ali- beat USC site Yusufali –beat Pichthall –scourge Shakir –beat The free Saudi versionof the Koran also has BEAT Robert Spencer also includes these : Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)” Sher Ali: “and chastise them” Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them” Arberry: “and beat them” Rodwell: “and scourge them” Sale: “and chastise them” Daryabadi: “and beat them” Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Al-Hilali/Khan, Malik, Shakir, Sher Ali, Khalifa, Daryabadi and Asad are Muslims. Are their translations all “incorrect and offensive”? (reference) Note: chastise means punish, thrash, inflict corporal punishment and scourge means whip, lash etc (Encyclopedic World Dictionary 1971, The Australian concise Oxford Dictionary 1987). Laleh Bakhtiar, a Muslim woman cited in the Newsweek Washington Post article, Robert Spencer and elsewhere desperately ‘translates’ 4.34 as ‘go away from them’ so we are all supposed to believe that all the ‘authorities’ and translators plus all those law writers over centuries got it wrong! Reality-western Muslim women trapped in Islam, must suffer extreme cognitive dissonance –yet seem incapable of behaving rationally and dumping this vile ideology! Job was told to strike his wife-koran sura 38.44. (e) Hadith –Mohammad over-rides ‘don’t beat’ and says men can BEAT women. Ms Taylor cites a hadith from Abu Dawud book 11, No 2139 which says don’t beat but had she read any further she would discover that the text was over-ridden by Mohammad’s new instruction to beat women, (plus his revelation from allah of sura 4.34). Women who complain of their treatment aren’t the best of women! Did she fall asleep or is she relying on our ignorance? ***Abu-Dawud Book 11, Number 2141: Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to BEAT them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you. ***Abu Dawud Book 11, Number 2142: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he BEAT his wife. ***Tirmidhi 104: Narrated Amr ibn al-Ahwas al-Jushami : Amr heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say in his farewell address on the eve of his Last Pilgrimage, after he had glorified and praised Allah, he cautioned his followers: ‘Listen! Treat women kindly; they are like prisoners in your hands. Beyond this you do not owe anything from them. Should they be guilty of flagrant misbehaviour, you may remove them from your beds, and BEAT them……. (he says re women’s rights..)…Their right is that you should treat them well in the matter of food and clothing. (ALIM CDRom) Mohammad’s first biography reports Mohammad’s speech where he says men can beat women, women are prisoners with NO CONTROL of their persons, if they behave they have a right to food and clothing with ‘kindness’ and men have the right to enjoy their persons. (Ishaq P 651). Other reports call women ‘domestic animals.’ NOTE: Islamic ‘kindness’ doesn’t mean don’t beat or lash!! ***Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 466: …The Prophet then mentioned about the women (in his sermon). “It is not wise for anyone of you to lash his wife like a slave, for he might sleep with her the same evening.” I.e. – beat her but not quite as viciously as you beat your slaves—lovely! No wonder Aisha noted that ‘believing women suffered the most- then and today, aided by the dishonesty of Muslim women endorsing Islam. ***Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715: Narrated ‘Ikrima: Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. ‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” …. f) Laws: Reliance of the Traveller:A classic manual of Islamic sacred law by Misri, translated by Keller (westernized version) E.g. M10.12 p 540-542–long law but, when a man sees signs of rebellion etc…eg wife doesn’t want to come to bed, or wife not kind, leaves the house without permission, doesn’t obey or provide sex. etc he must warn her, not sleep with her ‘and may hit her but not in a way that injures her, meaning …break bones, wound her or cause blood to flow. (O: It is unlawful to strike another’s face) He may hit her whether she is rebellious only once or whether more than once..’ Also law o17.4 p619. There are many other laws allowing beating, hitting, flogging…Remember Muslims can BEAT CHILDREN from the age of 10 if they fail to perform the prayer (Reliance, f1.2 p109, Abu Dawud hadith book 2, nos 494, 495) so why not beat women!! ***Abu Dawud Book 2, Number 494: Narrated As-Saburah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer. (g) Ms Taylor gives us a tale of Mohammad who when having problems with his wives, admonished them, refrained from sleeping with them for a month but didn’t go the final step and hit them. Some text relating to the tale is in part b (Muslim book 9 No. 3506) above where others slapped Mohammad’s wives. The tale incorporates text from the Koran, hadith and sira. Mohammad was given the slave and concubine, Mary who bore him a son (Ishaq p 653, p711 point 129). A story claims Mohammad had sex (inappropriate time or place) with Mary and his wife Hafsa discovered this and told Aisha then all the wives knew, causing trouble so Mohammad threatens to divorce his wives and ‘finds comfort elsewhere’ for a month!. Lucky Mohammad got a revelation from allah telling him that he (and all men) could revoke promises to his wives, have sex with his slaves and divorce his wives if they complained. Allah even rebuked Mohammad for denying himself what he liked and was lawful (remember sex with slaves is lawful). ***Koran sura 66.1-5 Sura Tahrim (Banning) 1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise. 3. And (remember) when the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. ‘Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: “Who told you this?” He said: “The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me”. 4. If you two (‘Aishah and Hafsah) turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes), but if you help one another against him, then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. 5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh’s sake), previously married and virgins. Many hadith note the the fuss and Mohammad’s threats to divorce his wives and express shock that any female would challenge Mohammad. (*Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648: (also vol 6 book 60 No. 435, 436, 437, 438; * Muslim Book 9 Nos. 3498-3511) The stories are long but Bukhari 3/43/648 notes Mohammad’s black slave, the shock that any women could challenge Mohammad, the statement that” “We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women.” And notes that Mohammad didn’t go to his wives for 29 days but finally went to Aisha and offered her the glitter of this world (presumably divorce) or allah, his apostle and a home in the hereafter… … Mohammad ‘revealed’ text that applied extra pressure/threats on his wives to never challenge him, particularly if they want to reach paradise!! – ie if you desire this world (Koran 33.28) but if you desire allah, Mohammad, the latter abode ( Koran 33.29) and are OBEDIENT, you will be doubly rewarded (Koran 33.31) otherwise: ***Koran 33.30 O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this is EASY to Allah. Koran sura 33.53 also says no-one can marry Mohammad’s wives so these women would have been in a very difficult situation if they didn’t have support from parents or a husband and they would have been outcasts. Mohammad didn’t need to beat them here as others slapped them, others were shocked and Mohammad could threaten with revelations from allah. His wives were trapped into obedience and he could do as he liked. But Mohammad/allah kindly gave lesser men the right to beat/scourge their wives. This story shows a very nasty, selfish, threatening Mohammad. Muslims try to claim the fuss was all over Mohammad eating ‘honey’ (Muslim book 9 No. 3496),) at someone else’s house – of course eating honey would cause such a fuss. (see Ali Sima ‘Trial of Mohammad, ‘Mary sex slave of Mohammad’ with discussion of honey and other interesting findings (reference) and a long discussion of all possibilities and excuses at Answering Islam. h) Finally Ms Taylor reveals that she does indeed know that Islam supports the beating/scourging of women as twice she claims that the imams are really promoting a ‘calm, reasoned, and limited physical punishment’ and astonishingly writes: “Domestic violence activists have long insisted that domestic violence is not about out-of-control anger, it is about controlling the life of one’s spouse ……. They usually hit women in places where bruises and cuts will not be visible, ….. in the middle of beating up their wife, if the phone rings, or police come to the door, the abuser is able to shut down his supposed rage, appearing and sounding calm and reasonable.” Abuse is so much better when the man is calm. Her description of the abuser fits Islam perfectly –as text says don’t hit the face and demands that women cover from head to toe (hiding the bruises!) ***Abu Dawud book 11, Number 2137: Narrated Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri: Mu’awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her on the face, do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house. Imams today support beating women: eg undercover mosque 2007, youtube (lots) and in Australia 2009 (read Rudd’s and Muslim cover-up lies for Islam HERE). Scholar and Spanish Islamic leader Muhammad Kamal Mustafa’s book called, “Women in Islam”, openly instructs how a man should beat his wife (Spanish Women’s Fury at Islamic Advice’BBC, 24, July 2000). Ayan Hirsi Ali a Dutch exMuslim woman now in the US fled Holland after revealing the violence of Muslim men in Holland in 2002. In Victoria Australia a Muslim woman accused of arson and insurance fraud, claimed she had to obey her husband or he would beat her as the Koran allowed or throw her out of home again!(aap general news 28/5/02 also reports 2003) If you don’t want to be beaten to pieces like female Saudi presenter Rania al-Baz who needed 13 operations following the beating from hubby for answering the phone (he regularly beat her) (Age, 7/7/04 Melb Australia) then don’t join Islam with its huge collection of derogatory terms, abuse, violence and control of females. Yes you could still marry a mean male anyway but at least he’s committing a crime but in Islam, violence to women is a right given by allah, Mohammad, text and laws! References: 1) Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib; Reliance of the Traveler: A classic manual of Islamic sacred law. In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller amana publications Maryland USA 1994 2) Ishaq, Ibn: Sirat Rusulallah by Ibn Ishaq Translated by A. Guillaume. Fifteenth Impression, 2001 Published by Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan. . 3) Taylor, Pamela: Aasiya Zubair Hassan, Domestic Violence and Islam February 27, 2009; (LINK) PAMELA K. TAYLOR co-founder, Muslims for Progressive Values 4) “The Holy Qur’an,” the internet version of three English translations can be read here and hadith (though hard to access) – here 5) The Noble Quran: endowment for allah’s sake from the custodian of the two holy mosques……King Fahd Complex. Supplied free from the government of Saudi Arabia. Sahih Bukhari:Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173: Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair” Allah’s Apostle further said, “(O Jabir!) Seek to have offspring, seek to have offspring!” Five practices of fitra 1. Circumcision; 2. Shaving pubic region; 3. Clipping nails 4. Cutting mustache short; 5. Removal of arm pit hair…7.72.777 Mohammed ordered that ALL Mohammedan women: (1) Always keep their vagina shaved! (2) Be circumcised (3) And that the Mohammedan men have the hoody of their Willies removed, so they can see where they’re going & see if there is a snake-like creature in the cave. Islamic Law on Female Circumcision The following quotation is taken from Reliance of the Traveller, Revised edition, amana publications, Beltsville, 1997. DON’T CIRCUMCISE IT – CUT IT OFF The Arabic actually says: Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called HufaaD). The Arabic word bazr does not mean “prepuce of the clitoris”, it means the clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the Shafi’i law, given by ‘Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed. THE PERFECT MUSLIM And surely thou hast sublime morals (Surat Al-Qalam 68:4). Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar (Surat Al-Ahzab 33:21). Muslims believe that the Koran is the eternal word/laws of god to acts as a divine guidance for mankind about how to live a moral, righteous life. Prophet Muhammad, the highest perfection of human life and the prototype of the most wonderful human conduct in Islamic belief, emulated the guidance of Allah perfectly. Muhammad fantasized about baby Aisha before soliciting her from her father Sahih Bukhari 9.140 Narrated ‘Aisha: Allah’s apostle said to me, “you were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, ‘uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘if this is from Allah, then it must happen. Muhammad, 50, marries baby Aisha at age 6 Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234 Narrated Aisha: the prophet engaged (married) me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, um ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. …….she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some ansari women who said, “best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Bukhari vol 8, bk 73, no 151 Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the prophet, & my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the prophet would call them to join & play with me. (the playing with the dolls & similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-bari page 143, vol.13) HOW TO THIGH Now let us see how thighing is practiced on a female child & who began this evil practice. According to an official Fatwa issued in Saudi Arabia, the prophet Muhammad began to practice thighing his child-bride, Aisha when she was 6 years old until she reached 9 years of age (Fatwa No. 31409). The hadith mentioned the prophet Muhammad started performing literal sex with Aisha ONLY when she reached the age of 9 (Sahih al-Bukhari, book 62, hadith No. 89). Muslim scholars collectively agree, a child becomes an adult, available for sexual intercourse as soon as she reaches the age of nine. Likewise, the Shari’a allows any of the faithful to marry a six-year-old child. According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fiancée, Aisha when she was six due to her small size & age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her. Imagine a man of 51 removing the clothes of a 6-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs. To this day, this is considered a benevolent act on the part of the adult male “not wanting to harm her.” What harm could be inflicted upon a young girl mentally and emotionally if not a grown man showing her his penis and stripping her of her clothes and rubbing his male organ between her legs? Of course the twisted mind that does such an evil to a female child, would not hesitate to ejaculate on her body. And if this sexually perverted evil frame of mind committed such an act upon a child, the pedophile would not stop at ejaculating on her. His evil desire would go further and rape the child before she was a mature adult. This is exactly what Muhammad did to Aisha when she was yet a child of 9. Before she reached puberty, he began to have sex with her. Let us see what the fatwa said about the prophet of Islam and his child-bride, Aisha.“Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:‘It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs of children” which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha – the mother of believers ?’ After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: ‘It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers’” (Fatwa No. 31409). Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and the Gulf countries. Also evil practices like altamatu’a bil almuka’aba (pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts), altamatu’a bil alsagirah (pleasure from sexual contact with a baby girl), altamatu’a bil alradi’ah, (pleasure from sexual contact with a suckling female infant), (Reported by Baharini Women’s Rights Activist, Ghada Jamshir) AISHA WASHING SEMEN FROM MUHAMMAD’S CLOTHES From the Hadith of Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible). Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231: Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar: I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ” Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232: Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun: I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them. Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them. From the Hadith of Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible). Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230: Narrated ‘Aisha: as above (229). Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231: Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar: I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ” Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232: Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun: I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them. Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them. Mohammed heard one of his wives was leaving him, so he rushed home where he found her on the carpet in front of the tent with her belongings; he sat down beside her & said, “I heard you were planning to leave me?” She replied, “Yes, I heard your other wives saying, you were a pedophile!” Mohammed thinks for a minute or so & then responds, “that’s a mighty big word for a 6 year old child.” THE QURAN & MARRYING LITTLE GIRLS Islam does allow you to marry pre-menstruating girls. The following verse is from At-Talaq (or Divorce). Islam’s main concern during a divorce is knowing who the father is (in case of a pregnancy). The waiting period is known as iddah. 65.4 Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if you have any

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